Karl Heinz Stockhausen
30 octobre 1971
Conversation with German composer Karl Heinz Stockhausen, interspersed with images showing rehearsals of one of his concerts and reactions of the musicians, frustrated by the score.
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30 octobre 1971
France RocheAnother name which will certainly figure in the big encyclopaedia if it doesn't already, is the name Stockhausen, Karl Heinz, whose first name is Karl Heinz. He is a dominant personality in modern music. The festival of contemporary music which has just taken place two weeks ago and has organised fifty musical events of which twenty-five are concerts, has paid homage to the personality of this musician who at forty-three has already been making music for twenty years.
Karlheinz StockhausenYou don't choose music, you have musical visions and you make note of them, that's all. Generally, each new work poses problems which you have never resolved before .
1st musicianI believe that it's music which is necessary, in order to play well, I believe that you have to believe in it.
2nd musicianMost of the time, it's a hotchpotch where you can't find yourself.
3rd musicianI'm not afraid to say that I don't believe it, not at all, not for an instant.
Karlheinz StockhausenMusic will evolve very quickly now, much more quickly than it has done before, due to technical developments and especially due to human development itself.
4th musicianFrom a technical point of view, that still causes unknown difficulties even now.
5th musicianVery difficult, very difficult but makes for good technical work.
France RocheDo you manage to play all the notes?
6th musicianIt's a problem. Clearly, we try to play all the notes, but I believe that in certain pieces, the author prefers sound effects. So, of course we do what we can to play all the notes. But of course in the heat of the moment, some don't come out as they should do.
JournalistDo you manage to play all the notes?
4th musicianIn the case of the contrabassoon, yes almost.
Karlheinz StockhausenThe difficulty is not only a technical difficulty, but even more a psychological difficulty. That is, people haven't learnt to do what I ask. Even I haven't. It's necessary to study each new work as you study a new language.
JournalistDo you find that interesting?
3rd musicianInteresting for the instrument.
JournalistDo you think that this music is difficult for the public to access?
Karlheinz StockhausenYes and no. The public, as a homogenous public does not exist, there are always people who are very advanced, that is to say that they are very open, and at the other extreme, there are people who are never open to the unprecedented, to the unexpected.
2nd musicianI'm convinced that three quarters applaud because the people next to them applaud, but I'm convinced that at the end of the day, they don't know really why they are applauding.
JournalistYou are, as every artist who is at the forefront of progress, often very controversial.
Karlheinz StockhausenThat's a good sign, because people who are violently against something for example music, they are extremely touched by this music. They are waking up in a surprising way and don't know what to do, they have lost their balance, they have lost their equilibrium if I can say so, and that is an extremely fertile state.